but the guy who let you know about the nsa program, and you and your representatives know about the nsa programs, the russians, i can't believe they're hiding him. we need to get that guy. screw that, snowed den, run, don't come to the this country. are you nuts? >> i wish he could prove that it was not espionage but it was whistle blowing, but our system is broken in mean ways and we saw that with bradley manning. what you were saying before, saying that he was a coward, this is a very, i think, a sad emotional appeal to get people turned against him. they can't point to actual damage done, they have to hope that labeling him a coward wil,d just like they like to label leaker as pedophiles and sexual predators, things like that. >> i think the way he's in russia just adds to this ridiculous outdated cold war story on top it. he we strayed america and he went to russia. what what we've seen is the public opinion polling, and people actually care about their privacy. this long term we're going to see. this is what people wanted to know, this story was important, and people cared about it